'Jonathan' is the oldest land animal on Earth

Sure but biologists will talk to anything. You know what happened to the other tortoises? Bored to death.

Yeah, but is he more charismatic than Bryan Johnson?

Wait till he gets his hands on turtle semen and peptides

The oldest gay tortoise there is. You can hear the grunts when he and Frederick are fucking from the other side of the valley.

He's basically been networking for 194 years without ever leaving the garden

Older than the United States hahaha.

Remember the saying : in the US, 100 years is a long time; in Europe, 100km is a long distance.

And Orange Roughy, available in Australian fish and chip shops, spawned around the same time as the first British colony there.

Whales seemed to have figured that out.

But what if I already live somewhere cold, avoid sunlight and am never in a hurry?

I do IT, poorly, in a basement in Canada. I will live to 500.

As a person that absolutely loves hundred plus degree weather and is constantly outdoors I’ll take 20 years of a hot, sunny life over 500 years of that.

St Helena is where the minimum wage workers on Ascension come from. It only exists to provide cheap labour to Britain's Atlantic territories.

Y'all see Trump and Elon in everything.

Then why they are they picking on Stephen?

There really is an xkcd for everything.

And?

Chopin had tuberculosis most of his life and died at 39 weighing only 45kg. Euler became almost blind before 60. Give a chance to sick and feeble, folks.

A bit more charitable read on the GP is that people should focus on having as many healthy days as possible rather than as many total days as possible.

That doesn't mean those already I'll should just give up, it means those looking to their future should consider whether living 20 more healthy years is better than living 40 more years if 30 of those are increasingly focused on just treating symptoms to wake up tomorrow.

That's an uncharitable reading of what I mean, but I suppose I could have been clearer. Perhaps "no point staying alive if you're so unhealthy that you're perpetually miserable" would be closer to what I meant, particularly having seen a number of elderly relatives living through their last years in unrelenting misery, impatient for death. One in particular sticks with me, an uncle who had been a doctor and knew exactly what was coming because he'd seen plenty of it in his career, but without the means to end it in a dignified way. These people absolutely didn't want to be kept alive longer - which is the point of the distinction between lifespan and healthspan in the podcast.

My paternal grandfather starved himself death because of health issues. My paternal grandmother died in agony from colorectal cancer. My maternal grandfather faded away and died not recognizing most of his children. My maternal grandmother was trapped in a noisy ICU where she couldn't sleep until her heart finally failed.

We can all come up with shitty anecdotes.

> can pull a Musk, but that's not the point, the point is to reverse balding

How much such hairline can cost, $10?

It's not what you meant but toupees have gotten really good, the only problem is you can't be a public figure and have pattern baldness one day and a full head of hair the next. There's actually something called "the toupee fallacy" which means assuming an entire category of something is bad based on only noticing bad examples.

Trump, the most vain of them all, has tried pretty much every way for the last 40 years. It's likely mostly glue at this point.

Just grow a scraggly and comb it down. Venture capitalists wear t-shirts that show their nipples on stage, so what’s the shame in a long scraggly.

Isn't this solved with laser hair removal?

I've moved to designer stubble. You can leave it 2 or 3 days and the lawnmower like stubble trimmers are quite quick.

That's the world we've built. It's not a world for humans.

In a market-driven economy, yes sadly.

Isn't this covered in multiple sci-fi genres? There's no real way to distinguish immortality from what amounts to a pre-planned death around some kind of life extension procedure. As a social group, we're more likely to select something that is effectively "continuation of thought patterns" than we are to actually extend consciousness

It's both, though. Yes, the Earth can support more humans with a lifestyle closer to that of the West in the 19th century than with a lifestyle closer to the the West in the 21st, but even in the 19th (and earlier) deforestation and the like were happening. And it's just reality that as societies prosper they use more resources per person. 50 years ago the vast majority of Chinese didn't use cars but walked and and bicycled. Now they are quite car dependent.

I'm not sure that's an easy argument to hold up. Where would you draw the line on lifestyle that can and should reasonably change?

We've populated large portions of the planet that we really have no business living in without climate controlled indoor environments. HVAC is also a huge energy suck with all the externalities that come along with it. If we were to really want to cut energy use, for example, and climate control had to go we almost certainly couldn't continue to sustain as many people as we have today.

It's usually not the most frugal humans that want to defeat death.

And the type of humans.

Wouldn't a decline be good? Or is the theory that we can only do collapse, not decline?

> Wake up grandpa

Just imagine how many more grandpas and great grandpas will be around for you to shout this at.

The problem with the population isn't (yet? only?) the absolute number of individuals but the age distribution. Most societies rely on young people to support themselves and the old, and this only works if there's a good balance between the numbers of each. Living longer isn't guaranteed to offer a longer productive period. We might just end up with more old people in need of support and not necessarily more children. This is already a major problem today in most developed countries.

There are probably so many more factors to consider. Like the psychological impact of living substantially longer. Even things like that crappy boss who won't retire from another 60 years, the dictator who won't die for another hundred years, or any number of the many society destroying tech CEOs getting to entrench themselves for decades more.

"on the cusp of beginning to"

This will happen no earlier than the 2080s. The world population is expected to increase every year until then. We will add nearly 2 billion people in that time. Consider that the entire world population was less than 1 billion for all but the last 221 years.

I continue to not worry.